Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan is a well-known wrestling fanatic, so it’s not too big a leap to see him appear on The Joe Rogan Experience, the popular podcast hosted by the MMA commentator and comedian.

The whole lengthy conversation (it’s over two hours) can be listened to here, but the part that you’re really after is this hot take on Chad Kroeger, who he calls “an incredible songwriter”, before going on to explain Nickelback’s obvious appeal.

“I don’t know enough about their world, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong if that’s who you want to be.

“Pop is predicated on satisfying. I’ve said many times pop is porn. It’s porn, they want to get you off. It’s just how they’re going to get you off. I’m not that concerned with getting you off. I’m just not.”

It’s a good point. Play it loud, like you mean it.

Then, bathe in this.